During my first journey around the world -when I was still young and innocent- I visited the North East of Brazil.
Fortaleza, to be precise.
The place looks like a dump, but when you know where to go, it is a GREAT place for night life. Especially in the Brazilian “winter” when Brazilians search sunshine there.
A singly guy can have a good time there, just saying…
Fortaleza is also is a hub for backpackers on their way to beach town Jericoacoara.
My little guest house was filled with them.
Amongst them, where a lot of American girls. These particular specimens were all a little overweight and a little bit to loud.
They would sometimes make a move.
It would go something like this:
Girl: “hiiii, how are you?”
“Pretty good.”
“Where are you up to.”
“Not sure.”
“I really would like to go out.”
“Oh great!”
“I really feel like going out”
“Yeah, yeah, hahaha (back-pedalling).”
“Would like it I someone would go out with me (looks seductive)”
“Yeah, yeah, well not sure either. Bye!”
Another girl was a bit more direct:
“Do you want to go out with us?”
“No, I usually go out alone to a place I can dance Forro”
“Well, fuck you.”
“Eeeh, ok.”
One day a group of young Dutch guys arrived and together with the American girls they played drinking games. I sat down for a bit. When the women started shouting like construction workers, I left.
Later that night, I was in this particular club called Armazem. A big place with multiple areas. It has one area with the local popular music called Forro.
I had been dancing Forro for weeks and I absolutely nailed it. I even became known as “Forrozinho” those days…
But back to the Caipirinha filled Wednesday night…
…I see the whole gang arrive.
I remember clearly they were all looking at me dancing with some locals. Like it was… strange.
I observed them from a distance. It started out good. I saw the guys making their moves.
But not much later their whole night starts to fall apart. Two girls were being really obnoxious. Then they started to cry. The guys were trying to comfort them. Not knowing what to do. Everybody looked helpless, miserable and confused.
And I remember wondering: why would you put up with this?
Why does a group of young good looking guys completely ignore a club filled with friendly and sensual Brazilian women.
Why didn’t they at least take a LOOK around them.
Why would you be restricted by some sort of invisible sphere that is keeping you bound to a bunch of toxic individuals because they happen to be in the same hostel and have the “same” cultural background?
MGTOW – Why Men Give Up
Well, I remembered this story when I came across a new (for me) men movement on the internet.
MGTOW = Men Going Their Own Way.
What is the MGTOW movement?
MGTOW describes men who had enough of contemporary Western society. They think that society suffers from a collectivist culture where the rights of men are restricted by a suffocating blanket of “political correctness”.
These men think that feminism has destroyed the relationship between them and women. They say that women have been implanted with ideas impossible to understand and live up to by men.
As an example the concept of marriage is discussed.
It comes down to the fact that a men is supposed to work his entire life to provide for his family. But when the woman decides she has had enough, she can simply leave him. But he will still be forced to pay for her support, he will not get to see his kids (they can be taken away from him after one wrong move) and he will generally find that the whole justice system is against him.
There is a good change a marriage will end up ruining a man’s life emotionally AND financially. Why would you want that?
They also bring up the fact that men statistically are much more at risk of rape, incarceration and violence than women and the complete take over of universities by “minority” defending social warriors without logic and facts.
These MGTOW guys are simply raising their middle finger to society, marriage and women and say “we don’t need this shit”.
They pursue a life of athletics, playing video games or just doing stuff they like instead of dealing with women.
And this seems to be a reasonable sized (and growing) movement.
There are a lot of articles and Youtube videos about it, by people that can explain these ideas better than I can.
It does not matter what you think about it. Interesting points are being made.
MGTOW – How do I think about it?
First of all, I am of the opinion that Western society is eroded by collectivism. A lot of these ideas are shared in the MGTOW movement. I will explain that to you some other day.
But in terms of women, relationships and the MGTOW movement -especially the men that seem frustrated- I have a bit of the same feeling like I had when I looked at the group of backpackers in Brazil.
Why is it an issue?
It is a big world out there.
And society’s restrictions fade very quickly when you live an international lifestyle.
I can tell you that there is no shortage of traditional women in this world.
My friend once surprised a Colombian girl when he took his plate to the kitchen. When he saw her surprised look he offered to do the dishes. He completely blew his chances. A man is not supposed to do that.
Almost everywhere in the world men-women relationships are very traditional. In some places much more than most Western men probably would be comfortable with…
Are you looking for a smart, rational & ambitious women? There are definitely a lot of them out there as well (just not in your local humanitarian studies society).
Do you fear losing your assets to your wife when you marry? Set up a trust or a foundation or hold assets or build a life in a country where similar laws don’t apply. If your marriage blows up you can just go your own way without being subjected to a toxic legal system.
Am I a MGTOW?
Let’s take me as an example.
I have never been a good match with Dutch women. It is not that I don’t like them. I think they are great, and often attractive. But I see them as friends, not as lovers. I don’t feel like being with a woman. I am immune to their flirting.
And I did not like what society planned for me in the Netherlands.
I went my own (international) way and things only got better.
I have had the pleasure of meeting some really nice women all over the world the last decade.
And I really do not worry about being able to find the right WOMAN when I am ready to start a family. Under the conditions that I think are fair.
Anyway, just my two cents.
So yes,
Go your own way.
And remember:
The rebel is just the other side of the same coin…
Julius
MGHTFW (Man Going His Tax Free Way)
If you’re done with complaining that the world is mean, and wish to liberate yourself from a society infected with cultural Marxism, click here…
Men: Google MGTOW and empower yourselves. Don’t ever marry. Don’t ever have children. You have been warned.
Why not? I like children. I think you missed the point.
Alimony
Western invention. I think you missed the point.
Foreign women can dump you just like American women. They may seem charming and nice but I don’t trust them
I really enjoy spending time with a woman.
Global Citizen – Congratulations upon finding a lifestyle that fits and that makes you happy! So many guys out here ( who are not quite MGTOW) have tried to navigate the social track and been totally beaten by it ( alleging NO one’s fault, no entitlement here). I am headed overseas just to have a conversation with someone who would like to dance with me, and I have NO idea how this is going to play out.
My professional life goes well and I am a blessed person. Just think that YOU have found the key somewhere and could help a whole lot of guys!
Yeah, hence the post. But instead of thinking of options it seems like people just want to emote…
You are a cuck
I would have replied sooner, but I was busy surfing with a Balinese princess…
Global, I think you got the point of MGTOW. A lot of them focus on getting away from toxic women, which is certainly a necessity for a happier life. But the problems of mainstream society go much deeper. Granting women licence to ruin men is just one symptom of a society that has lost sight of the value of good men, and cannot appreciate the extraordinary abilities that lie within the male sex. Instead it tries to control, regulate and dumb down ordinary men, using them only as sources of taxation and convenient scapegoats for everything that goes wrong. MGTOWs still occupy the same time and space as everyone else, but they do not engage with any of the sickness and insanity of misandric ideology that holds western governments and mainstream society in its grip.
Hi John,
Thanks for commenting.
I also stepped out of society in my own way. I don’t like justifying myself to a society that doesn’t appreciate ambitions, freedom and individualism. I don’t pay taxes (not possible for Americans). So I agree somewhat with the arguments of MGTOWs.
But I spend most of my time in countries that are not as you describe. And also with women that are not as you describe.
Yes. I understand that when in a liberal arts college in California a rational acting men must look around himself at all this Social Justice Warrior nonsense, Twitter, and mainstream media and think the entire world has gone bad-shit crazy. But the world is bigger than that…
Just wanted to share my perspective.
In a way, we are both going Galt. I do it economically. You guys with women. 🙂
Cheers! Julius
Yeah it’s easy to say that when you’re outside the Western society. But even disregarding that, women as well as men have their own innate nature. i. g. they NEED to be dependent on men. That’s the only way they truly survive. Even after all the rights, benefits and privileges that far outsource any of men’s, women still have to rely on the nanny state and the big daddy government to come to their rescue, which were built and sustained by men’s hard efforts and hard earned tax money.
I don’t’ know where you live, but I would guess that it is a place with a great way to go in order to be on par with the western society. Even in developed Asian countries, they are seeing the repercussions of women’s empowerment. For the rest of the world, it will only be a matter of time.
So enjoy fully what you enjoy now while it lasts.
P.S. Most men that going in and out of relationships before or during their journey of MGTOW report how their perception changes to White Knighting every time they share their life with women substantially enough. Perhaps in your case, too, it would be only a matter of a true red-pilling experience that you truly see what MGTOW men are seeing. Hope it wouldn’t be too late or devastating when it happens.
Cheers Bud
Schizoid people (introverts who do not get lonely) can have a much higher standard of living than would be possible if they dated or looked for a partner. Women seem especially jealous of schizoid men, and often fear their own men will become that way.
i’m a mgtow and still have contact with women. i just make sure i don’t get trapt. and yes the best way to do that is overseas. however this will become harder to do overtime because feminism is part of the un program. if you look at thailand for example, you can see the rapped change happening. thailand is still a better place for men then the western world but you can see the difference in just 20 years. no fault deforce and other so called women friendly changes are breaking down the nuclear family. and just like in the the western world most blame is placed on men. resulting in laws involving child support. making women behave even more careless. don’t get me rong i still think thailand is a great place (moving there soon) but i petty the young thai men of the labour class already. they won’t have a great future as lots of them won’t have any prospect of having a family. the birthrade has droped really fast and as people grow older there won’t be enough younger people to care for them.
Hi Ben, thanks for that insight.
Men actually do need women.
What we dont need is actually one particular type of woman known as a *western slut*.
Others are fine.
I am happily maried to Far Eastern girl for more than 20 years, two kids and good, working family.
That is my own way.
One who like European or American *white* woman should rather attend a brothel.
Mmmmmm. Glad you’re doing great. I would say that the comment is a bit to general for my taste.
I am in Indonesia atm. I have yet to come to a more business like approach to marriage that I have seen here.
The Indonesian women I knew in Holland all had a dorky boyfriend (easy to manipulate) with rich parents (so they’re settled long term).
And for the real fun they played around and in some cases kept an eye out for better. Some were flirting with me when their boyfriend wasn’t looking. I am not impressed.
Not every woman from the far east makes a good wife just as not every white Western women is a slut.
the thing’s your describing are called hypergamy. and it’s one of the core problems when dealing with women. all women have this instinct, it’s part of female nature just as men have a dominance instinct. the big difference in the western world is that boy’s are not allowed to act on there dominance instinct and girls are allowed and even cheared on to practice hypergamy. this created the increasingly dominant female and the feminine male types your describing. and yes holland is a great example where feminism has gone to far. resulting in the loser boyfriend and the empowered women looking to better deal him. the only way to have a successful and prosperous society is by keeping male dominance and female hypergamy in balance. marriage use to be the tool to do that until feminism changed the rules.
Even if relationships were not literally financially dangerous, I still don’t care for them much.
Being a or “boyfriend” or “beta provider” or “room-mate” with a woman is just so bloody painful.
Men play along with 90% of the crap women say and do – when single, they don’t do ANY of the things their “partners” make them do.
MGTOW was a godsend for me because I was already REALLY frustrated by mating and then even dating sucked. I felt like “Why am I here? Just because of my sex drive? I don’t really want to live with a woman and her “dating me” (a job interview for relationships) just makes me want to vomit all over my chicken pesto.
I can’t believe the crap men take DURING relationships only to risk financial ruin and possibly even losing access to your own kids.
Men are just THAT addicted to ****y I guess.
I broke free of that addiction. Once I realized that I really didn’t want to be with women (just scratch the itch once every other month) I have saved so much time, energy and money it’s ridiculous. I look at how much other men spend (and the time and the energy) on ****y worship and I don’t know whether to feel sorry for them or laugh.
I love american women. Having an american girlfriend is like having your finger stuck up your ass all day every day. What’s not to love about that. I also love how american women overtime balloon to about 300 pounds. What’s not to love about that?
for me mgtow isn’t about giving up. it’s more like moving on. women in the western world have given up on gender role’s for a long time now. yet women and western society expect men to stay the same. i think mgtow is just a logical outcome. it just doesn’t pay off anymore for a man to stick with one woman in a protector provider role. the benefits are to low and the risks are enormous. combine this with the sense off entitlement western women have and disaster will hit your society. feminism has been a very distructive force indeed but it’s not the only problem. it’s a combination of traditionalism and feminism that leaded to this gynocentric society. women want the best of both world’s. they want all the freedom but without the responsibility. while at the same time society is placing all responsibility on men but took all his autority. how is a man suppose to carry all the responsibility in a relationship when the woman has all the power? how can you expect men to stay in the fifties?
Ben, your points are valid, but one thing you described causes a conundrum: “…it just doesn’t pay off anymore for a man to stick with one woman…the benefits are to low and the risks are enormous.”
If a man is committed to reducing his exposure to risk, with few benefits associated with that risk, then it stands up to logic to remain with one woman. If an overwhelming majority of women are hypergamists who view men merely as a means to an end, tools of convenience, then avoiding as many women as possible (even in casual relationships) becomes necessary. With governments clearly rigging civil law against men, and adjudicating in favor of women as a systemic bias/prejudice, going so far as to stripping a man of his assets and access to his children, women have the law in their corner; they know it and will continue to reap the rewards as silent benefactors of an immoral and, at best, amoral game of ruination.
My point is adulterated when one considers that that one woman is very likely nothing more than one among many who would stomp all over your life because a corrupt legal system aids women in their ludicrous quest for strength, independence, and power. Without civil law bestowing women with a ridiculous sense of impunity and power over men, then women would have to deal with the world on the world’s terms. Sticking with one woman, therefore, is only marginally preferable to exposing yourself to the risks of financial ruin, emotional abuse, and a litany of false allegations of rape and assault-and-battery.
I believe that men going their own way is more about men reducing their exposure to risks encouraged and condoned by contemporary societies, cultures, and governments. It’s a form of silent revolution against oppressive, lying, and intentionally misleading systems of government and jurisprudence. It is this entity–a brutal and prejudiced silent partnership–that men are turning their backs on.
my advice to young men in the western world would be. save money when your young and avoid women. don’t let yourself be trapped with a baby or contract. when you saved enough money, move to a country outside the western world and start a new life. personally i saved money and invested it in the stockmarket but i won’t advice it unless you know what you’re doing or have someone else who knows how the stockmarket works who you can trust. if you do this most middle class men would be able to move in their thirty’s and have a great life in a much nicer place for men. you’re not born to be a service animal for women and society. you can escape the matrix. personally i stay mgtow even outside the western world but for the men who want a more traditional relationship. your sexual market value will be much higher in a asian country and your chances of a successful marriage will increase. you can even marry a women 15 or 20 years younger if you want.
I really did not know that I had just “checked out” of the dating game ( only going on dates when women ask me out, and I pay) until I saw some of these articles and the comments made by women. So many good, well-adjusted, employed, respectable, Godfearing men just do not play. From my end, maybe it was just the lack of any female friends ( is that an oxymoron?) . No political statements to make, but I do not think that I ever had five women whom I knew by their first names.
After all these years,I never really realized that I had somehow “checked out” of the dating game. I suppose that I was going on dates ( when women ask me out, we go and I pay,so at least I know that they are interested) , only seeing that there are SO many guys who just do not do this at all. From my end of it, I know that I did not make a whole lot of female friends ( I guess that they did not seem very “friendly”) and there are a lot of very well-adjusted, employed and reasonable men who just do not bother with this at all.
“What is the MGTOW movement?”
MGTOW is not a movement
“MGTOW” has no predetermined destination. What “MGTOW” has, more or less, as a matter of simple social logic, is a discreet point of origin, which is the idea of “cherchez la femme.” “MGTOW” doesn’t necessarily know where it’s going or where it will end up; all we know is that we do not buy in to the idea of “cherchez la femme.” The reason I use the French term is to emphasize how deeply and profoundly embedded in the psyche of society the idea of chasing women is. It’s not easy to be “MGTOW.” It not only goes against our sick sad society, it goes against the deepest parts of human reality.
What people don’t seem to get is that “MGTOW” is a symptom of the demonic destruction of the human race, not a cause. “MGTOW” is what happens when a man sees that the game cannot even be played any more, thanks to what Satan and his army of winged flying monkeys have done to society.
It’s much worse in the Collectivist West, the USA, Europe, Australia, Canada, etc, but the basic problem is sweeping the whole earth and it will soon destroy us and make the human race extinct. That is my prediction, unless some cataclysmic event causes a course change.
Well with the very horrible women that are everywhere these days which that would certainly explain that altogether.
All women aren’t scum, all men aren’t scum, but if men don’t raise their stock, to the level of acceptance, with women, either because of not wanting to, or because they feel they can’t, or unable to, for whatever reason, then trying to gain acceptance with women, without upping your game, will constantly lead to failure. Constant failure, without being able to learn from your errors, is THE definition of “insanity”. If you’re not willing, or able to fix your mistakes, you’d have to be a masochist, to keep trying. In that case, it’s better to drop out.
Level of acceptance is be much more valuable than the women.
No dude, I prefer being alone than date with a women full of problems.
Just look at all these low life very pathetic loser women that are everywhere nowadays which it is enough to turn a good man stomach into knots. Most women are just awful nowadays with their very bad attitude problem when many of us good men will try to start a conversation with one of these morons since they will be so very damn nasty to us and walk away. And there will be times when they will even curse at us for no reason at all since i know friends that had it happened to them as well. It is very sad that the great majority of the women today have a very severe mental problem since they really don’t have any respect at all and no personality either when it comes to us men since they’re very much out of control now unfortunately. It has become so very dangerous for many of us men to just say good morning or hello to a woman like i mentioned already since many of these women are not good too meet at all these days. It is very obvious why so many of us men are still single today thanks to feminism. Thank God that most women in the good old days were real ladies and the very complete opposite of today which is why finding love in the old days came very easy like it did for our family members.
MGTOW is the very smart and safe way to go now for many of us men, especially with the kind of women we have today.
Then again it is the very pathetic low life loser women nowadays that have certainly caued this problem to begin with unfortunately.
As a native from Fortaleza, I say that girls treat you good just because you´re foreigner AND they think you have A LOT of money or can give greencard to them.
Belive me, brazilians girls are overrated and they are still capable of treat you like shit in long run.
True. Fortaleza can be a pretty weird place.
Feminism is much worse than Cancer because of these very evil pathetic loser women that are the real cause of it all to begin with. And today which makes MGTOW the best thing that ever happened now for many of us smart men that will just stay single, and that will save our life altogether as well. Go MGTOW.
Feminism is much worse than cancer today, but MGTOW is alive and growing stronger each day.
And to think back in the good old days when most women were real ladies, and very easy to meet. What in the world happened to these women nowadays?
“Marriage is a license for a woman to ruin a man”. I like that analogy. And if it cant be done with a marriage, it can be done with cohabiation laws. So men, you have been warned.You want a family life? Leave the West for good and settle down in some conservative eastern country. Sacrifice? Yes, but it’s about choices.
I live like a non POA (POS?) MGTOW , but I’m uncomfortable identifying as mgtow because I don’t hate all women ,while so many bitter INCELS do as they use mgtow as an excuse.
the real enemy is not women! It’s Frankfurt School Marxists who’ve infected society and the institutions, weaponizing people against straight men and in particular, white men.
My life has been destroyed because I loved my daughter in a feminist country. I doted on her. She was absolutely the coolest thing that happened to me. 32 court orders later, false allegations, no funds left, completely broken. Before I met her mother, I was a mountain climbing/surfer/golfer/ with a good job, also had my own place, car, no money worries.
I am now broken completely broken man, destroyed from the idiocy of not studying, or realising the dangers of feminism (third and fourth wave), sooner. A fool learns from his own mistakes, a wise man learns from others. MGTOW is smart and safe.
Trust me, women in first-world western countries have the licence to destroy your life legally. And the state will support them, nay act as agents for them. It is literally torture.
Stay single. Stay safe.Learn from my mistake.It could cost you your life.
Good luck on the book! I am sure it will be a good read and warning to others…
To hell with you MGTOW creeps! You don’t speak and represent all single men! You scumball losers!